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  That escalated quickly... (Quote from today's Zoom public talk)

  by Jofi_Wofo in

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  the speaker at my wife's meeting: "a discouraging word can lead to inactivity, apostasy and death.".

  i mean, what the...??????

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  Let’s discourage the Governing Body.
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  1914 Dropped

  by pale.emperor in

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  so i was observing an online conversation between a jw and a former-jw.

  the non-jw pointed out that wwi cant have had anything to do with satan supposedly being "cast out of heaven" because wwi was already well under way in oct 1914.. the jw proceeds to explain that satan was actually thrown down to the earth in 1915 and that he started to wreak havock on the earth from heaven knowing he was about to be cast out.. so 1914 is officially old light now?

  does anyone have a source for that or was this brother lying through his teeth?.

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  While it's all non-sense, 1914 is important because it is calculated from the (incorrect) 607 BCE date for the fall of Jerusalem, which ultimately gets them to the most important year, 1919, with the appointment of the Faithful Slave/Governing Body. Their self-proclaimed authority is dependent on this incredibly weak thread.
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  November WT study article

  by Gorbatchov in

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  in one of the study articles from the november 2020 edition, is mentioned (free quotation):.

  "don"t get disturbed if your kingdom hall will be sold".

  food on the right time, i asume?.

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  "15 No doubt, we readily follow the Bible-based direction we receive regarding doctrinal or moral matters. But how do we react when God’s organization makes a change that affects other aspects of our life? For example, in recent years the cost of building and maintaining places of worship has increased dramatically. So the Governing Body has directed that Kingdom Halls be used to capacity. As a result of this adjustment, congregations have been merged and some Kingdom Halls have been sold. The funds are being used to help build halls in areas that need them the most. If you live in an area where halls are being sold and congregations are being merged, you may find it a challenge to adapt to the new circumstances. Some publishers now have to travel farther to attend meetings. Others who worked hard to build or maintain a Kingdom Hall may wonder why that hall is now being sold. They may feel that their time and effort were wasted. Still, they are cooperating with this new arrangement and should be commended." -- Page 22-23, November 2020 WT
  
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  Baptism during Covid - pool must tough the ground?

  by jwfacts in

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  the july 2020 announcements mentions that baptism can be held in an “inflatable pool” as long as it touches the ground.

  the pool must not be “on a terrace, flat roof, balcony, etc.”.

  has anyone ever noticed that as a requirement?.

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  My first guess goes to some sort of potential legal liability (since that is usually their first priority). It sounds like they are nervous about inflatable pools in elevated locations...perhaps someone could fall or the pool could get caught by the wind?
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  2 Letters Arrived--COVID-19--Instructions--and Consent Form--(as of 2020-07-09)

  by Atlantis in

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  2020-07-04--and 2020-07 consent and contact form.

  direction related to covid-19 pandemic for bodies of eldersgeneral precautionssecular authoritiesmeetingsfield ministryshepherdingtheocratic facilities and congregation recordscongregation expensesjudicial and other serious mattersconventions and assembliesschedule for viewing 2020 convention sessionstheocratic schools-----------------------------------letter 2 is a form to be filled out for:consent and contact details for attendees at the kingdom hallin order to support the nhs test and trace programme, we are taking contact details (name and telephone number) of all visitors, as well as recording the times people have entered and left the kingdom hall.if you are on the email list these letters are already sitting by your tv.

  if you are not on the email list, reply below that you want a link put in your pm box.petra!https://docdro.id/dwwuizv

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  Links, please! Thank you!!!
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  8 Documents Arrived Today!

  by Atlantis in

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  1.--authorization and release agreementfor disaster relief medical assistance.

  ------------------------------------------------------------------2.--for the attention of all elders------------------------------------------------------------------.

  3.--additional direction regarding assistance with practical needs------------------------------------------------------------------.

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  Please link and add to the mail list. Thank you!
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  Miss Piggy----Thrown Out of Zoom Meeting!

  by Atlantis in

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  miss piggy was thrown out of the zoom meeting because she was showing to much cleavage.. https://docdro.id/s9jhehton her way out she grabbed the co's briefcase and gave him the finger.https://docdro.id/szfjix4then miss piggy jumped into her hot rod and is delivering all the co's secret documents to the neighborhood.https://docdro.id/bed59f8if you are on the email list, these documents are already in your email.

  so just keep eating your buttered popcorn.2020-04-27--broadcasting meetings2020- information notice of broadcasting congregation meetings2020-notice of broadcasting2020-information on broadcasting congregation meetingspetra!.

  https://docdro.id/i8d4tli.

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  Please DM me as well, thank you!
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  Why is it so important to them to let child molesters go out in the field ministry?

  by Eustace in

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  what's up with the watchtower society still letting those they know to have sexually abused children go out in the field service despite that being crucial to the ruling against them in the conti suit?

  they don't let men with beards go out in the field service in america with the justification that "beards are not the custom" and that therefore they "are not considered acceptable for christian ministers," but having sexually abused a child is somehow acceptable for a christian minister?.

  last i checked molesting children isn't considered socially acceptable according to the customs of the united states and certainly finding out that child molesters are allowed to be jehovah's witness publishers is a whole lot more alienating to potential converts than them seeing jehovah's witness publishers with beards.

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  Might this have something to do with legal liability while talking out of both sides of their mouths?

  The WT likes to claim in court cases that participation in field ministry is a personal choice; they do not control or regulate a Christian's "personal ministry" (of course, that's not really true).

  If the Governing Body were to openly and directly regulate or restrict participation in the field ministry, they would become liable for the actions of publishers, who they want to keep at arms length. Then they could no longer play the "personal ministry" card in legal cases.
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  When did the society decide blood transfusions were a bad idea?

  by new boy in

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  more book research..

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  I researched this a few years ago. Here are some notes I made; hope it helps. It morphs from anti-vaccination to anti-transfusion.

  “Instead, we should write to them to keep away from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from anything strangled, and from blood. After all, Moses has had people to proclaim him in every city for generations, and on every Sabbath his books are read aloud in the synagogues.” – Acts 15:20,21, ISV

  
  

  
  

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  "These prohibitions had never come to the Gentiles, because they had never been under the Law Covenant; but so deeply rooted were the Jewish ideas on this subject that it was necessary to the peace of the church that the Gentiles should observe this matter also." – Zion’s Watch Tower April 15, 1909

  
  

  1931

  “The most sacred thing on earth in the sight of God is human blood, “for in the image of God he made man.” (See Genesis 9:6.) God destroyed the entire human race, except Noah and his family, at the time of the flood, because of un-natural pollution of human blood.”

  
  

  “So important was this covenant that God placed His bow in the clouds as an everlasting reminder of the danger of its violation.”

  
  

  “What about Armageddon?…Will those who have made and injected and suffered the injection of calf and horse serums [for vaccination] into the human bloodstream go scot free? We doubt it.”

  
  

  “Quite likely there is some connection between the violation of human blood and the spread of demonisim.”

  
  

  “…much of the looseness of our day along sexual lines may be traceable to the easy and continued violation of the divine commands to keep human and animal blood apart from each other. With cells of foreign blood racing through his veins man is not normal, not himself, but lacks the poise and balance which make for self control.” – The Golden Age, February 4, 1931

  
  

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  "We are told that it takes one and a third pints of whole blood to get enough of the blood protein or "fraction" known as gamma globulin for one injection... its being made of whole blood places it in the same category as blood transfusions as far as Jehovah's prohibition of taking blood into the system is concerned." - Awake!, January 8, 1954 p.24

  
  

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  "The blood in any person is in reality the person himself. ... poisons due to personal living, eating and drinking habits ... The poisons that produce the impulse to commit suicide, murder, or steal are in the blood. Moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes - these often follow in the wake of blood transfusion." - Watchtower, September 1, 1961 p.564

  
  
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  Zone Visit: An Announcement That Will "Test Your Faith"

  by breakfast of champions in

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  this is the scuttlebutt in one of the "bethel congregations" by us.. no details as to exactly what this "faith-testing" announcement might be.. anyone else hear any of this pre-zone visit hype?.

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  Others have said this but I think it should be repeated:

  If parents are at fault for their kids leaving the organization, then, following Tony's argument to its logical conclusion, Jehovah is a failure as a father.

  He failed to do what was necessary to protect his children, Adam and Eve...and that was a result of his failure as a father to the "angel who became Satan" and myriads of other disobedient spirit children to left the "heavenly part of God's organization."

  I'm waiting on family to mention this meeting to me...they repeatedly brought it up in advance...and now I've heard nothing. I can tell they are always hoping for some development that will prove that I'm wrong for leaving or some change that will address my issues with the organization. Now, the Governing Body is claiming that, for those like me, it's not the Governing Body's fault we left...it's our parent's fault.

  Thanks, Tony, for dropping your "turd" on parents everywhere.